Explain.

VOY was the worst, if I'm forced to choose.

voyager was the worst.

Enterprise was the worst. It had the weakest line up of main characters. Just about every single one, maybe with the exception of Trip, T'Pol, and Dr. Phlox (and a few other secondary characters like Shran), were rather one-dimensional and if one died, you wouldn't shed a bloody tear over them. shit, even the DOG was more entertaining. The episodes were rather emotionless, uninspired, usually ultimately predicatable, and majority of them were just overly rehashed Star Trek ideas, not to mention the UBER AMOUNT of errors the show contained, either with Trek canon, blatant common sense, or with science (yes i know it's Science Fiction, but the bastards could atleast try to stick with some correct science, like say when the Xindi attacked Earth, creating that massive canyon? yeeeeah, that was large enought to have created ALOT of serious environmental impacts, most of which are fatal, as well as the Trek science. Hell, even Star Wars follows actual science in some cases.). and since when was Star Trek about action and violence? I thought that was Star Wars's and Stargate's job?

Voyager atleast had some originality remaining in it. :sarcastic:

No, Enterprise was not the worst. But then again, I don't look at Star Trek as a grouping of 5 seperate series and 10 seperate movies. I look at as a single series.

HELL YES!

No Voyager was!

Enterprise was either my favorite or tied for number one.

I really didn't care about all the cannon crap, that is just to nerdy and anal retentive for me, it was never really anything major. I loved the characters, wished Travis and Hoshi were used more but all were cool. And I loved the pre-federation story line.

I take it for what it was, a good sci-fi show.

So is anybody going to actually explain WHY they think Voyager is the worst with definitive reasons or is this just going to be simple one-liners? :sarcastic:

Janeway, way to pc, bad characters, bad storys...perfectly lame. Janeway.

As far as believability...I'd have to say TOS was the worst.

As far as how enjoyable a series was...Voyager was the worst.


ENTERPRISE was just a piece of garbage from the very beginning. The TCW was a huge mistake. I think they just popped it in there so they could possible have a cameo from another Trek actor later on in the series. The show was supposed to be a prequel, it should have remained a prequel rather than showing things further in the future than the other series ever had. Enterprise was just a train wreck. The people who made it had no idea what direction they were going with this series (see FUTURE GUY). It's lack of character development and insistance on showing Jolene's body as often as possible are also contributors to its crapiness. More importantly, the suposed lack of technology they should have had...they overcame within the first season. Transporters, phasers, translator (Hoshi really didn't have a function after season 1).

That being said, it was a great idea with a great crew. Many of the episodes were very enjoyable. Far more than Voyager....where I really never gave a rat's ass about any of the crew other than DOC.

Some episodes of ENT were better than VOY- I thought both were fairly good but not nearly as good as the other series.

Definitely Voyager was the worst.

I thought that "Voyager" was the worst of the "Star Trek" series. I also didn't much care for the last two or three years of "DS9". I got sick of the Dominion War after about half a year and quit watching the series.

ENT wasnt the worst series, if they had made it as a stand alone series, or directed away from the main star trek plots then it would have been great. for example DS9 was sort of on the side of the main star trek stuff and related to and was in the same universe fiction wise, however didnt have to conform.

if ENT had presented itself slightly differently it would have been fine i think. so not the worst series, but not done correctly at all.

I don't think it was the "worst series" because IMHO, there are no bad series. I watched all of them (in first run no less) and enjoyed all of them equally. :happy:

there is no 'worse' in Star Trek!

DS9 was the worst.Boring as hell.A lone space station orbiting Bajor,manned by starfleet.That monitored activity surrounding its wormhole to the Gamma quadrant of the galaxy,and the planet of Bayjor being constantly denied access into the Federation.They just sat there doing not much of anything thruout much of the series.As far as Enterprise goes,as a prequel series it worked.I'm inclined to agree that the Temporaral Cold War portion was out of place,being as the concept would just be too advanced for the era when an infant starfleet has just set to the stars at Warp 5.The series answered a lot of questions for me such as the fact that obviously the Klingon Empire was already in full swing with Warp capable warships long before earth got the idea.It also explains that the transporter's original function was to transport goods and solid inaminate objects or cargo initially,rather than people.Which explains why they and indeed much later on Dr Mccoy's reluctance to use it to transport themselves.It also explained the fact that Starfleet knew just about sweet FA about stellar navigation,without the Vulcan's inital assistance,and had to start exploring the galaxy with their supervision.
It also explains that the Romulan Empire was in the process of being built,whilst Earth and Starfleet were just venturing out.The inidviual episodes and storyline were thoroughly enjoyable.Not to mention the fact that the ENT cast included Jolene Blalock and Linda Park.drrlll

Did you even watch DS9 ?

It was the series that gave more depth to the franchise than any other series .

IMO , one of the major reasons Startrek has " lost it's way " recently is that they didnt take the concept of DS9 further .

I mean , VOY blew massive chunks because they did not take the concept seriously enough .

After about 3 or 4 eppisodes everyone was getting along and quite content to be traveling through the delta quadrant for the rest of there lives :/

Come on !!!

ENT should have been a lot better , what destroyed it's chances was relying on what VOY had done instead of trying to be original , too much T&A and not enough quality story telling which DS9 had in spades .

"Alien or Planet " of the week is not enough to make a Startrek series , you need to have a strong story and an emotional attachment to the crew .

Not enough of that in ENT , great concept poorly executed - but not as poorly as VOY .

Thats exactly what I'm saying here,DS9 was full of inacitivity.This was the series that could of done so much more with.But IMO it was completely dull.Not much in the way of interesting storylines.And the fact that almost deity like lifefroms existed not in the Alpha or Gamma Quadrants,but inside the wormhole itself,just a bit too much to take in there.Quark was an insteresting character.But Benjamin Sisko wasn't convincing enough as the station commander or the USS Defiant.
Dr Bashir was just about the most annoying SF doctor that there ever was.
Worf becoming the stations Tactical Officer was a good move,but the show basically sucked.

ENT ROCKED BTW

From your last post i can almost guarantee you did not watch more than a handfull of episodes of DS9 .


Back to the subject at hand though , ENT was the most unsucessfull trek series because it underachieved not only in ratings , but in what it promised to deliver to fans and how badly it failed to deliver that promise.

And the more they tried to pander to the "fanboy" crowd the worse it got .

While i found parts of Season 4 interesting , it reaked of desperation .

Season 1 & 2 with all the faults and canon errors was much more interesting , but they lost more fans than any other series by the second episode .

That tells me a lot , i dont know about anyone else but i expected much more from this series and that's why i was so disapointed .

I watched it from start to finish , expected it to get better and find it's audience , but unfortunatly in the eye's of many it stank .



BTW


Australia 2 - Pom's 0

:p

I gather in the US,it performed rather poorly.But I think it was quite popular here in the UK.Many fans such as yourself watched form beginning to end.In my case
I wished for a continued run to the full traditional seven series.

I have posted my piece on DS9.Like I said boring.

Voyager was the worst series. Just didn't care at all for the characters; way too pc and vanilla. Clearly, from the polling data, this explains why the fights over Enterprise were so visceral. There was such a large gulf between those who liked it and those who did not.

Yes i watched it from beggining to end - but had to DL the last of season 2 and 3 /4 .

StarTrek has been poorly treated for years here in Australia so i expected nothing less than contempt from the network here .

But , be that as it may , the show was not as successful as others in the US market .

And that is what the beencounters messure success on .

If it was made in the UK i'm sure it would be a different story as i believe you're right when you say it was better recieved there ( and also in europe i believe)

But , ENT did not have to go on for 7 years - it may have gone on for 10 if the show was strong enough to carry it through ( ENT had the youngest cast overall ) but it did'nt and it was'nt .

That's the unfortunate truth.

I have to say that ENT is very difficult for me to watch. It just doesn't hold my interest. I have a hard time watching TOS too but that series started it all so I have to respect that. Ent finished it though, hopefully the new movie will get Trek out of the grave that ENT tried to put it in.

ENT took a while to find its footing, its greatest drawback was its creative force, or lack there of. This was B&B's brain child so the series started off at a serious disadvantage. As with Nemesis this project was aimed at mainstream appeal, with an asumption that the franchise fans would just follow suit and watch regardless. So thus no or little of the fans consideration was applied to the forum. The result? A movie that bombed and a series that got canceled. I will say that ENT progressed so much in the 4th season under Cotto that it almost made up for the first three seasons. So in short ENT was not the worst series, Deep Sleep Nine was.

:jack:

Deep space nine was in no way the worst series.

DS9 took trek to a new level and then Voyager dragged it down to a T&A level which ENT continued for a few seasons.

There are way more DS9 eppisodes that i re watch than any other series except the original.

My ranking

TOS ( just )

DS9

TNG

ENT

VOY :puke:

No way DS9 was the worst!! I love that show :frust:

I like your technique, here i have something you wrap your hand arround ;)

If you forced me, Voyager.

In it's later years Voyager seemed to end up like this:

"We're running out of ideas! Make a Borg episode quick!"
or
"We're running out of ideas! Make a Barclay/Starfleet episode quick!"
or
"We're running out of ideas! Make a Klingon episode quick!"
then back to
"We're running out of ideas! Make a Borg episode quick!"

:yes:

As oposed to Weve run out of ideas, here make a war and drag it out over several seasons :yes:

The war was good in DS9 but crap in ENT so it kind of evens out there :lol:

VOY did ruin all the good TNG villians by using them too much.

THey made the Borg into a bunch of pussies

I don't think the Romulan War would've worked well in ENT. We has already lived throught the Dominion War, so another one probably would'nt have been a wise direction to go. But if if ENT had continued, i'd have liked to see the War like the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" (you see the attack on Pearl Harbour from the American and Japanese point of view in it), so that have been a good way to get to really know some Romulans.